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Between 2026-07-31 11:59 p.m. and 2026-09-01 12:00 a.m.
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https://youtu.be/3MKRjt59hh4?si=43BobvNwE528ZjsH&t=173 In the video he says Taalas builds a base layer but different routing layers per model (eg. metal 5 - 10 is different per design) I was wondering if something like this reduces non recurring mask set costs since you could reuse masks for the bottom layers?
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are routing layer masks significantly cheaper than base layer masks? (i'm guessing yes otherwise fpga's would be more economical for this)
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The higher metals ones yes because they usually have coarser pitch. Also there are less masks for metal. AFAIK it's one mask for metal and one mask for via and that's it. While the FEOL has finer masks and then a lot more of them for the implants and all that stuff.
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Tim 'mithro' Ansell 2026-08-08 8:10 a.m.
Not really a process that can work with a traditional foundry
8:15 a.m.
I would like to see a metal programmable gate array that can be programmed via something like the hacker fab steppers.
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Tim 'mithro' Ansell
Not really a process that can work with a traditional foundry
I think it has a good chance of working when the production between FEOL and BEOL is split between companies like for example the copper X-Fab BEOL option on IHP SG13. But otherwise, yeah, not really.
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Tim 'mithro' Ansell 2026-08-09 12:33 a.m.
GF180MCU Gate Array https://bit.ly/ws-gatearray-v1 Goal Create a good gate array which is programmable with post manufacturing additional of a metal layer in the 1-4um sizes. Specifications Final Metal Layer for Programming The goal is to have the gate array programmable by adding a single e...
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12:33 a.m.
The cool thing about doing something like that is you could potentially have a turn around time of days or even hours.
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^ would also need a deposition step after litho right?
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Tim 'mithro' Ansell
This is super exciting btw! Going to start working on the base layer and scripting to reconfigure top metal. Also, is ‘metal’ programmable gate array a name you just made cz that definitely needs to be an official term
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mask programmable usuaually afaik though using a via layer fairly deep, like via2 or so
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